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http://www.youvebeenowned.org/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/if-youve-ever-sold-a-used-ipod-you-may-have-violated-copyright-law/258276/

http://ownershiprights.org/kirtsaeng-vs-wiley

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/ViewNews.aspx?id=45093&terms=@ReutersTopicCodes+CONTAINS+%27ANV%27

I'll leave you all to do your own reading and draw your own conclusions, but in a nutshell:

When it's digital product I understand stripping the right of resale. It doesn't mean I like it, but it makes sense given that you can essentially make unlimited copies.

But when that logic jumps onto physical objects like clothing, phones, books and CDs it stops being logic. I do not have a magic replicator. I cannot clone my possessions. However, I do occasionally accumulate too many possessions and, rather than throw them out, I like to donate stuff I don't use anymore to charity, give it to friends, or even sell it. Depending on the court decision here we all might end up living in a world where the only legal thing you'll be able to do with stuff you don't want anymore is put it in the trash. Now, this would only apply to things which were made outside of the United States, but since we live in a global economy putting this into practice means that you wouldn't be able to resell anything - including cars and houses - without getting permission from people who probably have a vested interest in not giving you permission.

And just like that, libraries, Ebay, and giving away Christmas presents all may become illegal. < at least this is how I'm interpreting the potential end results. I have no legal background and, to be totally honest, I've only really been skim reading. This is why I invite you all to read and draw your own conclusions because mine may well be wrong.

Luckily I'm not American so I can still recycle if this goes through (hurrah!). Unluckily my government has a rather monkey-see, monkey-do approach to whatever America does. Also America has a tendency to try and enforce its copy-right laws across international boundaries: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2087574/Richard-ODwyer-extradition-A-naive-British-student-facing-10-years-chains.html

So, Flisters who live in the USA, if you would be kind enough to tell your government that you think this is a stupid idea I would be much obliged.

Flisters who don't live in the USA, feel free to pass the message on and to tell your own governments not to monkey-see, monkey-do if this comes to pass
Date: 2012-10-05 12:35 am (UTC)

eve11: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eve11
Good grief. What idiocy.

[Also, sorry for prematurely putting you waiting on the WIP-o-Doom. I'm almost finished the last bit I didn't think I'd be writing for this section. *sighs* I will email you when it's done.]

Date: 2012-10-05 10:35 pm (UTC)

eve11: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eve11
NP, I hope it's good busy and not bad busy. And hey, this next section is going to be like 5500 words for the wait, so you'll be able to curl up for a while :)
Date: 2012-10-05 01:37 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] justice-turtle.livejournal.com
I've asked Copperbadge to talk about this issue next Radio Free Monday, because I had no idea this was going on until just now! O_O *is askaired*

ETA: I also signed the petition and forwarded the link to my mum, who has a whole slew of right-winger contacts that might also be outraged if they found out about this. :D Bipartisan politicking!
Edited Date: 2012-10-05 01:38 am (UTC)
Date: 2012-10-05 04:15 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
This may be a stupid question, given as I am the US citizen in this scenario, but how do I yell at my representatives about this, exactly? Should I email the Supreme Court's office, or call them? Or do I contact my state representative? Because I think I should be properly angry about this in the morning when I can allot more brainpower to it, but I don't really know what to do about it.

I understand why they don't want you reselling books from other countries to undercut the textbook sellers, but I disagree with them. And I was given to understand that such doing were in fact legal, although the book publishers will try to scare you into believing it's not. I've bought an imported textbook before.

I don't know what the full legal consequences would be if this goes through, but I suspect I wouldn't like them one bit. Goodness, do I hate politics.
Date: 2012-10-05 11:12 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Yeah, okay. Last night I'd only read the thing from The Atlantic, so I went and signed that petition-y thing just now. Ah, it looks like they're saying the president can try to sway the court, and we can try to sway him? Which admittedly doesn't seem like much, but I don't know a lot about these things, so maybe it's not so bad.

Heh, yeah, thanks. We're coming up on elections right now so I'm sure everyone's more concerned with that. Right now the trending topic is how seriously Mitt Romney does or doesn't want to defund PBS, after something stupid he said about Big Bird and cutting subsidies. And I spent half an hour yesterday in a panic because my state made my absentee voter application incomprehensible, and I nearly screwed myself out of being able to register on a technicality before giving up and registering to vote where I go to school instead of where I *actually* live. I only hope 5 days is long enough for my forms to get there in the mail....

Sorry, bit of an election-year-angst info-dump there....
Date: 2012-10-05 11:50 am (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] thisbluespirit
I would draw my own conclusions, but I'm not v good at anything but stick people.

(I have nothing more sensible to say, then let's hope for once that common sense prevails - it would be a hugely difficult law to enforce, because even if you could track down people selling things, the negative press that would come from people closing down small businesses or chasing people who simply give something to a friend... It would be expensive and difficult.

But that's me reading your summary and not the articles. But still. Cost and consequences of actual enforcement can scupper a thing even when it gets passed.)
Date: 2012-10-06 07:45 am (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] thisbluespirit
But, one good thing out of this is I think I've got the subject for this year's NaNoWrMo attempt.

LOL. Oh, well, that's okay then! :-)

(And: ooh Clocket-writing...)

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